@pseudoname step 3. laugh and enjoy Delphine has been a major annoyance for me since the moment she’d barged in on my questline. Only problem is I’m playing on the PS3 so I won’t be able to open console and make the Blades killable :/ So I’ll just have to ignore them, @Ellie It really was Delphine’s idea and they sent assassins after me. You can still take the "Dragonbane" Katana from the Temple. Teaching Men how to use the Thu’um to fight dragons. Probably not. Killing Paarthurnax is a quest that Delphine will go out of her way to give you much later in the main questline, and you’ll have a chance to refuse it. Paarthurnax is going to bring all dragons to the Way of the Voice. noth for being stupid. ALL DRAGONS ARE TO BE SLAIN ! though thanks for helping me with killing Delphine. Would you trust a serial killer even if he saved a life? Another thing that’s silly with the Blades’ request is that they have not yet solved the dragon problem at large and they’re cutting you off if you don’t kill Paarthurnax right then? The goal of Blades is to restore their glory, and Paarthurnax is the main obstacle. Yeah, I really dislike the way the Blades behave, hence my solution that issue . Who have you been talking to? [. eventually be able to have your followers join the order and take them to Dragonhunts. Oh and The Blades hate The Thalmor, I think Blades is the logical side, and Empire too. Thalmor, as you can read from the books, are mostly killing all humans in conquered territory, or at best enslaving them. Dreh ni nahkip. and you faster go to the greybeards to give you the way to paarthurnax . I have really been enjoying exploring all Skyrim has to offer void of dragon attacks. bind the College, the Companions and the Graybeards to it. -“You take orders from me. I noticed some error since i talk to esbern, i can’t hear his conversation but i see some related subtitles like other quests. I really hope that Bethesda doesn’t make it canon of his death in the next TES game… My allegiance is with Paarthurnax more than anyone else in the game. Paarthurnax said no such thing. Paarthurnax. How paranoid can they really be? Whereas Paarthurnax pretty much gives you useful information every single time you see him. the blades are a..holes and thats what the game has been screaming from the begining. i came to the point where i need to choose between paarthurnax and the blades. Dov wahlaan fah rel. I found esbern in ratway warrens in riften city and then i told him to open the door. re: *SPOILERS* The Blades and Paarthurnax The writers do a very poor job of justifying Paarnurthax's murder. I have overcome my nature only through meditation and long study of the Way of the Voice. or any other dialogue you can think of. And since the Dov is a dragon, too you can run your char down a cliff right after you killed Paarthurnax, too. Kill the bloody dragon. why cant you write down parthurnax’s code, finish the quest, then resurrect him? @Sam Blades – Graybeards. http://skyrim.nexusmods.com/downloads/file.php?id=8426 this is an excellent workaround, or this one http://skyrim.nexusmods.com/downloads/file.php?id=8879, I am very confused guys ,, what can I do ???? Arngeir: Where did you learn of that? He is a very faithful dragon unlike the blades who decided to refuse to talk with me for no reason. Fortunately there are console commands for that if you really want the shouts. This decision in morality is up to the player; however, the fact that Paarthurnax used to wreak havoc in Skyrim gives the player a good reason to kill him. Are Delphine and Esbern right, or do you believe Paarthurnax is no longer a threat to the world ? So letting you finish off the group would make no sense just like not killing Paarthunax by the end of the game results in his flying away leading the other dragons and giving into his urge for power. Now I am very curious what “Zin krif horvut se suleyk” at the end of the Paarthurnax dialogue “”No day goes by where I am not tempted…” translates to. You feel it in yourself, do you not? Wait, wait, wait… As far as I can remember, the first time I finished Skyrim, I didn’t have to kill Paarthurnax. Send you to fight the Thalmor in the middle of the Thalmor embassy, and not coming with you. From there on, the only down side is you won’t get your reward for recovering the Dragonstone, however the dragon will never appear at the watch tower. snip .] Page 1 of 5 - About Paarthurnax, the Blades and the Dragonborn - posted in Skyrim Spoilers: Obviously there are SPOILERS ahead:What do you think about them ? (adsbygoogle = window.adsbygoogle || []).push({}); For me this is the hardest decision so far. In my opinion, they showed nothing more than arrogance and bossiness toward the Dragonborn, why the heck would he reasonably snuff out the life of a dragon who proved to be a good guy and, more importantly, more helpful than they were? The thing is that with this quest, Bethesda is calling for our views about justice as a whole, however it imposes its own views. Their existence is to aid me in my task, yet they blackmail me to do stuff. This video shows how to work with the Blades, Delphine and Esbern, without having to kill Paarthurnax as part of the process. Note: This is ONLY to be used to report spam, advertising, and problematic (harassment, fighting, or rude) posts. Paarthurnax or Blades? That should have been proof enough that he has changed, and that he should be forgiven. Even though John Connor looked at the terminator as a great friend who helped him defeat a worse evil the truth was he couldn’t be trusted and had the potential to destroy the world. The same moment you type in a comand in the console of the game no matter what, you are making your own rules and change the Game in mechanics and options. Judging from your interactions with the Blades, this seems to be true. — (Persuade) After all he has done to help us, he deserves a second chance. If you have it on pc there is a steam mod which let’s him live and the blades will eventually get over it He’s tempted to go back to his evil ways and better to let him die a good dragon than a bad one. Okay. Then i made a sheild with General Tullius’s soul. Also for the Aldmeri Dominion’s crushing defeat of the Legion. Kill Esbern, steal his soul and beat Delphine with it! i agree with you on the win-win situation, but killing blades is a matter of morality . Even though he did some good deeds he never paid for his crimes and was a threat to the safety of the entire planet. And who gives a giggity if he turns evil, he’ll be some other Dragonborn’s problem, maybe even another universe’s, just not mine. Just wondering if I can get anyone's views, thoughts and opinions on either the Blades or Greybeards. attitude and methods. -Then during the quest, give them a second chance to reconsider their resolve. What should i do? At least SHE remains loyal to me. The Paarthurnax quest has always, for me, been a loose end. ALL those that refuse to kill Paarthurnax are weak and should perish MUAAAAHAHAHHA ! the blades are fucking sith! For one the Blades serve the Dov, not the other way around. The akavari come from dragon land to the east of tamirel and they cut through killing the regenade dragons from their own land so buy killing Parthanaxx you are helping the blades to for fill their mission started in the first era. (! He had to die. Then i made a necklace with Ulfrick’s soul. The choice between killing Paathunax and letting him live was something I think we should concider ourselves lucky to have gotten. They have always sought to turn the Dragonborn from the path of wisdom. Thalmor want to enslave all Tamriel and you can be tool for Thalmor or not. I wish Bethesda had added a “Kill the Blades” option to the Paarthurnax quest. Not because it has so much effect, which is doesn’t, but for the fact that I am supposed to kill an Ally someone who supported and helped so much. A christian example (Opposite change, same idea) would be Satan, once a good Angel, now…well ya know. True, he turned traitor to Alduin and helped overthrow the Dragon Cult, but that does nto excse or expiate his previous deeds. At least the Blades evolve like they did in the past. And does that make HIM a tool for the Thalmor? >:p. @coldarkstare >:C. Quick question, Will killing Paarthurnax or keeping him alive effect the Dragonborn DLC? Thnx for telling me how to kill the blades. It was he who first taught men to use the Thu’um. The only thing they ever did to help me was lead me to Alduin’s wall, and teach the Call Odahviing shout to me, and that was all Esbern’s help. ‘if you are not with me, then you are my enemy.’ evil sons o’ bitches. But I can live with delphine and esbern dead. Funny thing is everyone still talks about the threat of dragons. Having found some books about the blades i realized that the Blades just want dragons gone, doesn’t matter who the dragon is or how he lived his life, all must be gone. Well, as I unerstand it, he explained it very well. I thought the Dragonborn devoured his soul? They returned to their original goal and approach the Dragonborn offering guidance and support. Although, I don’t agree with this “hate” towards The Blades. Bloodthirsty barbarians! Way of The Voice is useless to anything your character would want to do, and you don’t even need their help to get shouts tat you can look up online. This sums up my thoughts on the blades! By the time of Skyrim events Esbern and Delphine are all that is left of the order. The blades are arrogant fools. And, it is quite easy to see why he wants his own brother overthrown, and why he helped you defeat Alduin, because at the fight at the throat of the world, if you wear dragonplate or dragonscale armour, Alduin will say “The Dovah are weak!” meaning Alduin might of hated his own kind. After I gave Alduin a beating I returned to Cloud Haven Tempel to kill them. Oh yeah, or, this is just a video game and “giving in to the blades” doesn’t mean anything. I’m gonna enjoy killing those meddlers. But now, on my second run, I’m unable to let Paarthurnax live. Who to talk to: Paarthurnax, Arngeir or Esburn If you go and talk to Arngeir and tell him that the Blades want the dragon to die, he will be very upset. and full of blood … Alduin was attacking him guys ,, Also I feel that when Delphine and Esbern said that Paarthurnax must die I felt that Esbern was wrong ,, do not forget that he is a mad man think about that more and more .. and remember that delphine did not give you anything new , also after you found Esbern after hard working he did not give you important information about dragons back .. he just translated the wall …. At first, this site is about role playing games, of course it won’t matter outside the game. (what kind of chice is that?) remember what darth anakin said at the end of ROTS(the best atrosity of the 3)? Elder Knowledge: Recover an Elder Scroll to learn an Ancient Secret. On the other hand, refuse to kill Paarthurnax and the Blades will shut you out. If they refuse, I challenge them to a fair and just battle and defeat them in an honorable sword-to-sword combat. They do not serve the dragonborn like they say. I never thought about it before, I had no intentions in wanting to kill Paary. I am now traveling to slaughter these self-righteous clowns. What pisses me off is that The Blades would let their bullshit interfere with saving the world. You can go there if you do not kill Paarthurnax, The Blades just won’t talk to you. Delphine isn't very popular and most people choose not to kill Paarthurnax. Morrowind: Nothing, pretty much keep secrets and that sort of thing. Delphine claims the Blades are there to *serve* and *protect* the Dragonborn. Thankfully console commands are available on the p.c Skyrim Special Edition Gameplay - PAARTHURNAX MOD PAARTHURNAX MOD on PC. Well the console is our friend. After that i told the blades i did it, got a blessing, some mead, and then Fus Ro Dahed their butts off a cliff. Blades are assholes, but Greybeards are useless. The animosity between the Blades and the Greybeards now makes sense. Dragons are only tools for Thalmor, the same is with Stormcloaks. I wish there was an option to refuse the Blade’s request and then to overpower them and to bring the two bastards to Paarthurnax so that they become the dragon’s sexual slaves. And then 2 old, weak and dying Blades, who YOU have helped A LOT, tell you to kill an extremely helpfull Paarthurnax or to GTFO Sky Haven temple, and that they won’t help you with dragonhunting or anything else. The only way to continue doing quests for the Blades is to kill Paarthunax. If not for the fact that I loved the Blades in Oblivion, I would not have killed Paarthurnax. And there is two of them. Wheter or not he has truly repented, or merely acted to survive himself, jsutice demands that he pay with his life. Emrys aren’t you a littelbit hypocritical with your answer to Zomby? Paarthurnax deserves to die. Haha some of the replies on here are hilarious “i fus ro dah’d that old c#nt off the cliff” its a shame I wont ever be joining the blades, as soon as she said kill him I left. But since I wanted to finish the Blade’s questline, I ended up using the following console command: It made the Paarthunax quest completed without actually killing him. The good he did with helping out the ‘firsts to use the voice’ outweighs the bad. Esbern will not offer to create the potion. I noticed the first time I played Oblivion that the Blades are a bunch of pompous assholes. If you payed attention what your dragon friend said after killing Alduin, he referred to Paarthurnax as a tyrant about his way of the voice, and Paarthurnax flees saying something like “I’m free to rule”. But to quote a very great man: The Bard And now the traitorous duo are going to die. Paarthurnax is the wisest living creature in Skyrim I have met, his wisdom and kindness is beyond any other. For one to protect, for one to guide them.” – exceprt from ‘The Rise and Fall of the Blades’. – Ok, Delphine, your ride is over, time to die. Making followers that hang out at the temple give me the dragon locations from esberns diary or something. Here’s the big picture. Those who lead him to that choice should, so long as they have stayed the way they were back then. i have a question, would it be that sky haven temple will be accesible even though you did not kill paarthy?…..and i so don’t really like being told around by the blades…hmpf…blademasters without sense of sympathy for those who’ve repented their sins……i dare say i’ll cut them where they stand with my razor.. @Bane of Righteous Continuing on with Arngeir response: Arngeir: Listen to your inner Voice before acting. When you talk to Paarthurnax, he'll explain the situation, it is also good to talk to Arngeir, he'll fill up some details. !Spoiler Alert!!!) are they just friends, co-workers, or is it one of those she’s-with-him-because-he’s-rich situations? For some reason the Jarl’s housecarl goes missing when she dispatches troops to Riverwood, you’ll never become the Thane of Whiterun (own Breezehome), or get a dragon soul to unlock a shout. Also, didn’t you hear Paarthurnax’s little speech at the end about how Alduin was his brother and that the world will never be the same for him? All trademarks are property of their respective owners in the US and other countries. If there is tell me the steps on doing it before I complete the main quest. What really pisses me off is the fact that I did all the work clearing out Sky Haven Temple (yah, I guess it was originally theirs, like thousands of years ago) then they have the gall to tell me to get out since I refused to kill the dragon. When Arngeir learns that the Blades are trying to blackmail the Dragonborn into killing Paarthurnax, his response is: Arngeir: Now you see why I warned you against them! Do you walk around in real life and beat baby seals, cubs and steal cookies of little kids? Personally I didn’t kill either one. Good luck, you self-righteous and arrogant sacks of meat. Besides would you kill your martial art master who teached everything he knew just because he was an ex-convict? The truth is something the Elder Scroll … D:<) as i play this game on Xbox and Live in a forest and have a bad internet connection. He helped you and became a good dragon, so let him die as one. We can’t afford to give Paarturnax the opportunity to betray us in turn, and return to his old master. What is better – to be born good, or to overcome your evil nature through great effort? would that work? Since you are also using the console commands to kill the ones who are in contradiction with theirs There cant always be a happy ending or it would be completely boring, here’s hoping there are more moments like these in future installments. When Delphine said something like : “Delphine: Make your chocie Dragonborn. For that, they give direct order to kill him. I would kill the Blades each time. Gaining Reputation with The Blades you will (would – don’t even think about it!) They get you this far, attend the peace conference, admonish the leaders for not putting their differences aside until the dragon problem is resolved, yet THEN refuse to help address the dragon problem… the very one they got uppity about everyone else ignoring… until you do this one thing? Is pretty much anwsered. I hate Delphine especially because of the reason she easily gets hostile for any small bounty I get in Whiterun. While In sneak mode, I then watched Delphine and Esbern beat the undead recruits then made a quiet exit to leave them back at square 1 with just those two making up the blades with absolutely nothing at their disposal, book, weapon, armor (except what was on their back) wise. Arngeir: Yes. They are rude, barely helpful, and will refuse to help the player if Paarthurnax dies even though the world, the entire bloody world depends on the player’s success. Paarthy forever! But just as Paarthurnax’s later deed do not expiate his crimes, your deeds do not allow us to ignore our duty. They are not going to have the strongest one alive after Alduins death suddenly turn the others peaceful it goes against their role in the lore. ): LIKE A BOSS, I recomend this mod. @Majestic He was old and grey but he wasn’t scary.” And just as Paarthurnax himself said “What is better – to be born good, or to overcome your evil nature through great effort?”. Paarthurnax so much as tells you he’s definitely a good guy, temptation notwithstanding, so the only reason the Blades give for you having to kill Paarthurnax is “he’s a dragon and we don’t like dragons.” And all the rest is basically whining about stuff that happened literally in prehistory. I am not trying to please both factions, I am taking my stand and that is for sure at the side of Paarthurnax! I refuse to kill Paarthurnax. also, just found a dragon language translator and Paarthurnax translates to Ambition Overlord Cruelty. Esbern could read Alduin’s wall, but he still had no clue of wtf was going on, he just tells you about a shout, this is where Paarthurnax comes in. There is a link to a mod above in the comments, maybe you can add that to your xbox? One day you are going to need a dragon and then what? It was his opinion that the way of the voice was tyranny. So IMO, if I told Esbern and Delphine to recreate events involving 2 Girls One Cup together, then they better damn well hop to and even bring their own damn cup. and then go against the Leader of your species? A chance to properly play our characters alignment. (It’s not like if the dragons were extremely hard to kill, I don’t need and I don’t want their help). First of all I’m a huge fan of Dragons and so I sought to conspired against my own. You’re either with us or against us.”. >3. I think the beth are not to blame. Don't kill him and have the greybeards keep trusting you. I killed Paarthurnax. I am quite certain that The Blades have their own load of black chapters in their history. Au contraire… You do need a PC […] THEN, you can USB your save game off xbox, put it on the pc, issue the commands, restore the game to the USB, load the game on your Xbox and voila! All living things make mistakes, guided to those mistakes, and so on. setstage MQPaarthurnax 100. Start a rebellion against Alduin ( IF it wasn’t for this first rebellion, the world would have been eaten, and the Akaviri with it, the Blades wouldn’t even exist, so in a way, Paarthunax saved not only the Blades, but also their Akaviri ancestors) Fight Alduin with you once again and after Alduin’s defeat, he teaches his servants the Way of the Voice, which would eventually make them good. Yes I misspelled his name, imposting on my phone and the spell checker is on crack. My conversation with Paarthurnax was without a doubt one of the most enlightening in the entire game. Paarthunax was merciful to humanity, betrayed his kin to save the weaker. So I told them to shove it and ignored the quest and proceeded to visit him to have a good ol’ chat. My current solution is to let the Blades be, shall they die in their own hate, I have overcome my nature only through meditation and long study of the Way of the Voice. tl;dr: The Blades asking you to kill Paarthurnax is the equivalent of what Daedric Princes ask you to do. I’m deeply sorry that this has to come between us. How come you serve the order of the blades so faithfully as dragon slayers, when your lord Tiber Septim himself was friends and trained by the very same dragon, Paarthurnax?”. Can’t able to open Esbern’s Door in Riften. Don’t misunderstand, the Grey Beards are douches too. P.S. Well I am NOWHERE near that part of the game yet, but I already know not to kill an ally, especially one as scaly and helpful as a dragon! Then get ready to make a run to Whiterun; the rest of the town will try to kill you. And then I tried for a good thirty minutes to get out of the stupid quest but there was only the option of killing Paarthurnax. It worked fine on Delphine, got nice finishing move on her and tossing her down Page 3 of 5 - About Paarthurnax, the Blades and the Dragonborn - posted in Skyrim Spoilers: Let's be completely honest, here. that’s mean that Paarthurnax is an enemy for Alduin ,, also when you were in a chalange with Alduin . They should give you a dialog option after completing the game, in like, a DLC; -“About Paarthurnax” And used console commands to finish the potion bit. Even the Greybeards act sinister, they seem to hold important info to The Dragonborn. Español - Latinoamérica (Spanish - Latin America). And yes if it turns out to be a problem, then we can still take action. Are you so guiltless as to stand in judgement upon Paarthurnax? They put my to the decision pro or aginst them, and i decide against their hate. They deserve it. You can argue in Paarthurnax's defense, but both will reiterate the war crimes and atrocities committed by Paarthurnax. But Esbern showed his true colours when he asked me to kill Paarthurnax. A very logical choce… Me. Never having to kill a single dragon. A trip to heaven? After you complete your first task in Riverwood and get your mission to inform the Jarl of Whiterun about the dragon attack, go into the Inn and kill Delphine. I am afraid she’s right. Have you learned nothing from us? You’re either with us or against us. Forcing down a role-playing decision (good, evil, neutral) with only one option. Not *that* bothered by Arngeir, but Paarthurnax all the way. Kill dragons, we are affiliated with a person who does that! Hahaha, exacloy same here. @lol adds an option in dialog with Blades Now, that story can reach the simple ending I always meant it to. If Alduin goes/went down then why wouldn’t he too? but . wasn’t Paarthurnax attacking him with you ?? It’s very hard to come by wisdom and kindness in any universe, even our own. 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